Some kind of manly - Torture. Does. Not. Work.
FPF-fwd.: "Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." - Harry S. Truman
SOME KIND OF MANLY
"I have known George W. Bush since we were both in high school - we have dozens of mutual friends. I have written two books about him and so have interviewed many dozens more who know him well in one way or another. Spare me the tough talk."
"WE DO NOT TORTURE, SAID OUR PITIFULLY INARTICULATE PRESIDENT."
Molly Ivins - Creators Syndicate
AUSTIN, Texas - I can't get over this feeling of unreality, that I am actually sitting here writing about our country having a gulag of secret prisons in which it tortures people. I have loved America all my life, even though I have often disagreed with the government. But this seems to me so preposterous, so monstrous. My mind is a little bent and my heart is a little broken this morning.
Maybe I should try to get a grip -- after all, it's just this one administration that I had more cause than most to realize was full of inadequate people going in. And even at that, it seems to be mostly Vice President Cheney. And after all, we were badly frightened by 9-11, which was a horrible event. - [FPF - '9/11 an Inside Job' - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/bz2h9]
"ONLY" NINE SENATORS VOTED AGAINST the prohibition of "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment of persons under custody or control the United States." Nine out of 100. Should we be proud? Should we cry?
"WE DO NOT TORTURE," said our pitifully inarticulate president, straining through emphasis and repetition to erase the obvious.
A string of prisons in Eastern Europe in which suspects are held and tortured indefinitely, without trial, without lawyers, without the right to confront their accusers, without knowing the evidence or the charges against them, if any. Forever. It's "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich." [FPF: Solzjenitsyn - http://tinyurl.com/bkoz8] - Another secret prison in the midst of a military camp on an island run by an infamous dictator. Prisoner without a name, cell without a number.
WHO ARE WE? WHAT HAVE WE BECOME?
The shining city on a hill, the beacon and bastion of refuge and freedom, a country born amidst the most magnificent ideals of freedom and justice, the greatest political heritage ever given to any people anywhere.
I am baffled by these "arguments": But we're talking about really awful people, cries the harassed press secretary. People like X and Y and Z (after a time, one forgets all the names of the No. 2's after bin Laden we have captured). The SS and the Gestapo* and the KVD weren't all that nice, either.
Then I hear the familiar tinniness of the fake machismo I know so well from George W. Bush and all the other frat boys who never went to Vietnam* and never got over the guilt. - [FPF - Who served? - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/yve3r]
"Sometimes you gotta play rough," said Dick Cheney. No shit, Dick? Now why don't you tell that to John McCain? -
[FPF - US Air Force Times - McCain: ''Increase troops in Iraq'' - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/c85dj]
I have known George W. Bush since we were both in high school -- we have dozens of mutual friends. I have written two books about him and so have interviewed many dozens more who know him well in one way or another. Spare me the tough talk. He didn't play football -- he was a cheerleader. "He is really competitive," said one friend. "You wouldn't believe how tough he is on a tennis court!" Just cut the macho crap -- I don't want to hear it.
If you are dead to all sense of morality (please let me not go off on the stinking sanctimony of this crowd), let us still reason together on the famous American common ground of practicality. Torture. Does. Not. Work.
TORTURE DOES NOT WORK. ASK THE UNITED STATES MILITARY. ASK THE ISRAELIS.
There seems to be some fantastic scenario floating around -- if Osama bin Laden [FPF - Dead? - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/4nwac] - had an atomic bomb hidden in a locker at Grand Central Station, and it was due to go off in 12 hours, and we had him in prison ... I seem to have missed some important television program on this theme. I am told it was fiction, but it must have been really scary - it certainly seems to have unbalanced the minds of some of our fellow citizens.
Torture does not work. It is not productive. It does not yield important, timely information. That is in the movies. This is reality.
I grew up with all this pathetic Texas tough: Everybody here knows you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs; and this ain't beanbag; and I'll knock your jaw so far back, you'll scratch your throat with your front teeth; and I'm gonna cloud up and rain all over you; and I'm gonna open me a can of whup-ass ...
And that'll show 'em, won't it? Take some miserable human being alone and helpless in a cell, completely under your control, and torture him. Boy, that is some kind of manly, ain't it?
"The CIA is holding an unknown number of prisoners in secret detention centers abroad. In violation of the Geneva Conventions, it has refused to register those detainees with the International Red Cross or to allow visits by its inspectors. Its prisoners have 'disappeared,' like the victims of some dictatorships." -- The Washington Post.
WHY DID WE BOTHER TO BEAT THE SOVIET UNION IF WE WERE JUST GOING TO BECOME IT?
SHAME. SHAME. SHAME.
MOLLY IVENS
Austin, Texas - Article at - Url.: http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=19865
Footnotes & links concerning the shame:
One of the latest formed groups of US 'Secret State Killers' - like Hitler's Gestapo or SS is the 'Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group' (P2OG) - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/d85yu
'Ex-KGB and STASI Chiefs To Work Under Chertoff - KGB and STASI' - 'Reinforce Homeland Security' - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/7zah5
The Washington Post - 'CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons' - by Dana Priest - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/cu3hj
Concentration camps ready in the US - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/96sb6
The United States of Torture. By MIKE WHITNEY. How did we stoop so low? ... The United States has become the number 1 exporter of torture in the world today ... Url.: www.counterpunch.org/whitney11052005.html
Wikipedia - STASI - the secret police of East Germany - Url.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi
Wikipedia - KGB - Soviet Committee for State Security - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB
Google search "United States" +Torture - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/dkuag
The United States 'Making Dead Friends' everywhere - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/7crwb
Is al Qaida fake and a US construction? - Url.:http://tinyurl.com/dbemg
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Editor: Henk Ruyssenaars
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* Help all the troops of whatever nationality to come back from abroad! We need them badly at home in many countries - AND WITH ALL THEIR WEAPONS, WHICH WE PAID FOR BY TAXES - to fight with us against our so called 'governments' and their malignant managers - Url.: http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/
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SOME KIND OF MANLY
"I have known George W. Bush since we were both in high school - we have dozens of mutual friends. I have written two books about him and so have interviewed many dozens more who know him well in one way or another. Spare me the tough talk."
"WE DO NOT TORTURE, SAID OUR PITIFULLY INARTICULATE PRESIDENT."
Molly Ivins - Creators Syndicate
AUSTIN, Texas - I can't get over this feeling of unreality, that I am actually sitting here writing about our country having a gulag of secret prisons in which it tortures people. I have loved America all my life, even though I have often disagreed with the government. But this seems to me so preposterous, so monstrous. My mind is a little bent and my heart is a little broken this morning.
Maybe I should try to get a grip -- after all, it's just this one administration that I had more cause than most to realize was full of inadequate people going in. And even at that, it seems to be mostly Vice President Cheney. And after all, we were badly frightened by 9-11, which was a horrible event. - [FPF - '9/11 an Inside Job' - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/bz2h9]
"ONLY" NINE SENATORS VOTED AGAINST the prohibition of "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment of persons under custody or control the United States." Nine out of 100. Should we be proud? Should we cry?
"WE DO NOT TORTURE," said our pitifully inarticulate president, straining through emphasis and repetition to erase the obvious.
A string of prisons in Eastern Europe in which suspects are held and tortured indefinitely, without trial, without lawyers, without the right to confront their accusers, without knowing the evidence or the charges against them, if any. Forever. It's "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich." [FPF: Solzjenitsyn - http://tinyurl.com/bkoz8] - Another secret prison in the midst of a military camp on an island run by an infamous dictator. Prisoner without a name, cell without a number.
WHO ARE WE? WHAT HAVE WE BECOME?
The shining city on a hill, the beacon and bastion of refuge and freedom, a country born amidst the most magnificent ideals of freedom and justice, the greatest political heritage ever given to any people anywhere.
I am baffled by these "arguments": But we're talking about really awful people, cries the harassed press secretary. People like X and Y and Z (after a time, one forgets all the names of the No. 2's after bin Laden we have captured). The SS and the Gestapo* and the KVD weren't all that nice, either.
Then I hear the familiar tinniness of the fake machismo I know so well from George W. Bush and all the other frat boys who never went to Vietnam* and never got over the guilt. - [FPF - Who served? - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/yve3r]
"Sometimes you gotta play rough," said Dick Cheney. No shit, Dick? Now why don't you tell that to John McCain? -
[FPF - US Air Force Times - McCain: ''Increase troops in Iraq'' - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/c85dj]
I have known George W. Bush since we were both in high school -- we have dozens of mutual friends. I have written two books about him and so have interviewed many dozens more who know him well in one way or another. Spare me the tough talk. He didn't play football -- he was a cheerleader. "He is really competitive," said one friend. "You wouldn't believe how tough he is on a tennis court!" Just cut the macho crap -- I don't want to hear it.
If you are dead to all sense of morality (please let me not go off on the stinking sanctimony of this crowd), let us still reason together on the famous American common ground of practicality. Torture. Does. Not. Work.
TORTURE DOES NOT WORK. ASK THE UNITED STATES MILITARY. ASK THE ISRAELIS.
There seems to be some fantastic scenario floating around -- if Osama bin Laden [FPF - Dead? - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/4nwac] - had an atomic bomb hidden in a locker at Grand Central Station, and it was due to go off in 12 hours, and we had him in prison ... I seem to have missed some important television program on this theme. I am told it was fiction, but it must have been really scary - it certainly seems to have unbalanced the minds of some of our fellow citizens.
Torture does not work. It is not productive. It does not yield important, timely information. That is in the movies. This is reality.
I grew up with all this pathetic Texas tough: Everybody here knows you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs; and this ain't beanbag; and I'll knock your jaw so far back, you'll scratch your throat with your front teeth; and I'm gonna cloud up and rain all over you; and I'm gonna open me a can of whup-ass ...
And that'll show 'em, won't it? Take some miserable human being alone and helpless in a cell, completely under your control, and torture him. Boy, that is some kind of manly, ain't it?
"The CIA is holding an unknown number of prisoners in secret detention centers abroad. In violation of the Geneva Conventions, it has refused to register those detainees with the International Red Cross or to allow visits by its inspectors. Its prisoners have 'disappeared,' like the victims of some dictatorships." -- The Washington Post.
WHY DID WE BOTHER TO BEAT THE SOVIET UNION IF WE WERE JUST GOING TO BECOME IT?
SHAME. SHAME. SHAME.
MOLLY IVENS
Austin, Texas - Article at - Url.: http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=19865
Footnotes & links concerning the shame:
One of the latest formed groups of US 'Secret State Killers' - like Hitler's Gestapo or SS is the 'Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group' (P2OG) - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/d85yu
'Ex-KGB and STASI Chiefs To Work Under Chertoff - KGB and STASI' - 'Reinforce Homeland Security' - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/7zah5
The Washington Post - 'CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons' - by Dana Priest - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/cu3hj
Concentration camps ready in the US - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/96sb6
The United States of Torture. By MIKE WHITNEY. How did we stoop so low? ... The United States has become the number 1 exporter of torture in the world today ... Url.: www.counterpunch.org/whitney11052005.html
Wikipedia - STASI - the secret police of East Germany - Url.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi
Wikipedia - KGB - Soviet Committee for State Security - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB
Google search "United States" +Torture - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/dkuag
The United States 'Making Dead Friends' everywhere - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/7crwb
Is al Qaida fake and a US construction? - Url.:http://tinyurl.com/dbemg
FOREIGN PRESS FOUNDATION
Feed: http://tinyurl.com/avyvl
Editor: Henk Ruyssenaars
http://tinyurl.com/66dmo
The Netherlands
FPF@Chello.nl
* Help all the troops of whatever nationality to come back from abroad! We need them badly at home in many countries - AND WITH ALL THEIR WEAPONS, WHICH WE PAID FOR BY TAXES - to fight with us against our so called 'governments' and their malignant managers - Url.: http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/
FPF-COPYRIGHT NOTICE - In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107 - any copyrighted work in this message is distributed by the Foreign Press Foundation under fair use, without profit or payment, to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the information. Url.: http://liimirror.warwick.ac.uk/uscode/17/107.html
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